Oath of Fealty

Oath of Fealty

Larry Niven Jerry Pournelle / May 30, 2020

Oath of Fealty In the near future Los Angeles is an all but uninhabitable war zone racked by crime violence pollution and poverty But above the blighted city a Utopia has arisen Todos Santos a thousand foot hi

  • Title: Oath of Fealty
  • Author: Larry Niven Jerry Pournelle
  • ISBN: 9780671532277
  • Page: 349
  • Format: Mass Market Paperback
  • In the near future, Los Angeles is an all but uninhabitable war zone, racked by crime, violence, pollution and poverty But above the blighted city, a Utopia has arisen Todos Santos, a thousand foot high single structured city, designed to used state of the art technology to create a completely human friendly environment, offering its dwellers everything they could want iIn the near future, Los Angeles is an all but uninhabitable war zone, racked by crime, violence, pollution and poverty But above the blighted city, a Utopia has arisen Todos Santos, a thousand foot high single structured city, designed to used state of the art technology to create a completely human friendly environment, offering its dwellers everything they could want in exchange for their oath of allegiance and their constant surveillance But there are those who want to see the utopia destroyed, whose answer to tomorrow s best and brightest hope is mindless violence And they have just entered Todos Santos

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      • Larry Niven Jerry Pournelle

        Laurence van Cott Niven s best known work is Ringworld Ringworld, 1 1970 , which received the Hugo, Locus, Ditmar, and Nebula awards His work is primarily hard science fiction, using big science concepts and theoretical physics The creation of thoroughly worked out alien species, which are very different from humans both physically and mentally, is recognized as one of Niven s main strengths.Niven also often includes elements of detective fiction and adventure stories His fantasy includes The Magic Goes Away series, which utilizes an exhaustible resource, called Mana, to make the magic a non renewable resource Niven created an alien species, the Kzin, which were featured in a series of twelve collection books, the Man Kzin Wars He co authored a number of novels with Jerry Pournelle In fact, much of his writing since the 1970s has been in collaboration, particularly with Pournelle, Steven Barnes, Brenda Cooper, or Edward M Lerner.He briefly attended the California Institute of Technology and graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in mathematics with a minor in psychology from Washburn University, Topeka, Kansas, in 1962 He did a year of graduate work in mathematics at the University of California at Los Angeles He has since lived in Los Angeles suburbs, including Chatsworth and Tarzana, as a full time writer He married Marilyn Joyce Fuzzy Pink Wisowaty, herself a well known science fiction and Regency literature fan, on September 6, 1969.Niven won the Hugo Award for Best Short Story for Neutron Star in 1967 In 1972, for Inconstant Moon, and in 1975 for The Hole Man In 1976, he won the Hugo Award for Best Novelette for The Borderland of Sol.Niven has written scripts for various science fiction television shows, including the original Land of the Lost series and Star Trek The Animated Series, for which he adapted his early Kzin story The Soft Weapon He adapted his story Inconstant Moon for an episode of the television series The Outer Limits in 1996.He has also written for the DC Comics character Green Lantern including in his stories hard science fiction concepts such as universal entropy and the redshift effect, which are unusual in comic bookscmillan author larryn


    1. One of the more vile and viciously right wing novels I’ve read, though to be fair I haven’t read many of them at all. But this is something like Ayn Rand – wig askew and on her 13th pink gin fizz – going off on a paranoid scree about the muggers and rapists who are all out to kill her. Because she’s so rich and talented and beautiful and they just can’t handle that so she’s bought 10 attack dogs and built a concrete bunker.It’s all about taking the gated community to the next lev [...]

    2. For those too young to remember, Niven and Pournelle (both accomplished hard-science-fiction writers themselves) teamed up throughout the 1970s and '80s to produce a series of novels that crossed over into mainstream Michael-Crichton-style success. Although Hammer of the Gods is their most popular (concerning an asteroid hitting the earth, and what these two scientist-authors imagine would really happen in such a case), my favorite is Oath of Fealty, which imagines a private corporation building [...]

    3. In the first chapter of Oath of Fealty, one of the characters makes an off-handed reference to Uncle Tom's Cabin and from that point on I couldn't help but compare the two books. Both books share similar flaws in the strengths of their stories as they sacrifice political agenda for narrative.Uncle Tom's Cabin was written with an urgency and is a blatant call to end slavery. Oath of Fealty's message while politically motivated isn't as important or significant and therefore the book fails both in [...]

    4. Oath of Fealty is a dated, but not outdated, science fiction story of what might happen to a group of individuals if they were to live inside a self-contained (mostly) arcology in the midst of modern society. Modern society being one guessed at by the authors from the perspective of 1980. Keep that in mind.I must preface this review with a rant to anyone who judges or reviews older books based solely on their own modern perceptions of society. If it is twenty or more years older than you, the au [...]

    5. -Querer y no poder, mientras se juega con lo polémico.-Género. Ciencia ficción.Lo que nos cuenta. El libro Juramento de fidelidad (publicación original: Oath of Fealty, 1981) nos lleva hasta Todos Santos, una gigantesca construcción en la costa oeste de los Estados Unidos, a muy poca distancia de Los Ángeles, una moderna ciudad-estado próspera y avanzada, protegida por fuerzas de seguridad y cámaras que intentan evitar las amenazas de grupos terroristas y, también, la desconfianza envid [...]

    6. Oath of Fealty is one of the more interesting collaborations of Niven and Pournelle. It's speculative fiction, but the science is more sociological and political than physical. It's a very thoughtful and though-provoking novel, and though it may be a little dated now I still think it's relevant. The philosophy seemed to be a little too right-wing for sf fans of the day to feel comfortable with it, but the authors always made well-reasoned, convincing arguments. The catch-phrase of the book is: " [...]

    7. I was borderline between 2 and 3 stars on this title, in the end I went 3 because I have so thoroughly loved the previous Niven books I have readThis was vaguely interesting at times, but mostly it was a long drawn out boring telling of a only slightly better premise.I didnt like the lack of consistency in terms of the their little society. It was too idealized in many ways, and I think to bring that level of idealism home, they should have made it more sealed off from the rest of LA. The level [...]

    8. Is this Science Fiction? The (kindle) edition I bought shows some kind of rocket driven aircraft circling a futuristic landscape and it is in the Science Fiction section. But when I gave up reading (28%) it just seemed to be about the running of a monster office block. Ok it's really a monster but the comings and goings of the big cast of characters seemed to be mostly about office politics and city politics (Los Angeles to be precise). Not my sort of thing. I wouldn't give it a negative review [...]

    9. A utterly fantastic book when written, some of the technology is dated now. Niven and Pournelle didn't anticipate cordless phones--the guy with a 20-foot cord on his phone will ring true with my generation but baffle younger readers. It originated my favorite quote on people who kill themselves doing dumb things--I won't include it here, spoilers.

    10. The novel has a very interesting premise. A centrally controlled, almost police-state mega-gated-community created exclusively for a wealthy elite. Other than the interesting premise, the book has little to offer. It was first published in 1982 and suffers from many of the ailments of older-generation science fiction. The story is delivered mostly through dialogue in which characters with opposing views unnecessarily argue about something (or characters with similar views unnecessarily agree abo [...]

    11. After two-thirds of this book, I had to quit it. The conflict was clear but there wasn't enough action to hold my interest. Quite enjoyed "Lucifer's Hammer,""Ringworld,"and "Peacemakers." OoF didn't come up to that standard.

    12. Un planteamiento interesante pero que no creo que se aproveche completamente por Larry Niven. Tiene libros mucho mejores.

    13. Science fiction repeatedly asks two questions, "What if?" and "If this goes on?" The first question brings us dreams and wonders, the second, nightmares."Oath of Fealty" blends the two.In the future, Los Angeles has slid even further into disrepair and decay than when the authors wrote the novel in 1981. Slums, blight, crime, all the plagues of urban life persist. Incompetent politicians and bureaucrats make matters worse. However, over a formerly burned out area rises a new city, Todos Santos ( [...]

    14. I read the German Translation "Todos Santos"Respekt für das originelle Thema und für viel Stoff zum Nachdenken. Allerdings ist das ganze dann doch zu viel Text für mein persönliches Interesse an dem Thema. Eine Novelle hätte gereicht. Die Personen sind nicht so gut gezeichnet. Sie bleiben einem egal. Die reaktionäre Einstellung des Autoren ist zu spüren.

    15. An arcology. What do we know about them? Could we live in one of them in the future without going outside just to walk? Are we able to live in a self sustainable building or structure where even weather is recycled and brought right to your household, not to mention food, water and other provisions? Right you are if you say that Science and technology serve for our needs. Let’s commence our little analysis empirically. When A Primitive Commune back to the times of Human Herd nearly 60000 years [...]

    16. Oath of Fealty, Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle (3.5)Set in 2020 (future for the writers in 1981, near future for us), Los Angeles has had a terrible fire and a corporation has constructed a self-contained city in the location. The people of Todos Santos have security and safety – but at what cost? Their location can always be tracked via electronic ID cards and there are video cameras everywhere. The Angelinos think of it as a termite hill or hive, but the residents think of it as sanctuary f [...]

    17. Love the other comments on here - stirring up the P.C. Hornet's nest.I read this book and liked it. Now I was skeptical the thing would work that good in RL. IMO a corporation by definition exists:1. To make money for its investors.2. To maximize profits, for its investors.3. To do this each and every 3 months or "Fiscal Quarter"-and- save directives 1-34. To avoid responsibility.The corporation seemed unusually benign, the sole purpose to create the artificial society and somehow argue its the [...]

    18. I must be going through some ADHD or something because about two or three chapters in, this book lost me and I think I know how: I think the author is fond of writing things in this certain way. I can't think of another author off the top of my head but it most reminded me of Stephen King: multiple viewpoints with a third person omninescent POV. Then again, I may just have noticed because I read a bunch of Stephen King last year. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with writing like that b [...]

    19. This is another Niven/Pournelle collaboration. The characters are flat and function purely as pawns for the plot--the real star of the show is the big shiny building. The science is decent, although the contemporary setting makes it nigh impossible for the book to avoid dating itself: Notably, there are mentions of the Soviet Union and a reference to the success of the Zimbabwean government. There are also a few areas where today's technology outstrips what the book's characters have, but overal [...]

    20. I originally read this book in my 20s. I distinctly remember the interesting concept but not the title. (Concept: to build spaceships we first need to build self sufficient communities living together. How big should they be to be self sufficient? What is needed to be self sufficient etc. Story is about a completed Arcology in LA that houses thousands of people) What I didn't remember was the plot. Meh. Terrorist try to sabotage the arcology for "reasons". Builders of the arcology are all benev [...]

    21. The setting is your typical utopian society with "Big Brother" style surveillance. Except that the protagonists are the people running the show instead of the lone hero thinking for himself that They must bring down. I liked the different angle. The big wigs were sympathetic, human characters (I liked the head engineer)-- they're just trying to provide the people with a safe and perfect home. However, I felt that the eco-terrorists set up to oppose and undermine the Utopia were underdeveloped (e [...]

    22. An easy read, not up to the reputation Niven and Pournelle otherwise deserve for classics like Hammer, Mote, and others. The premise is interesting, especially for me as a former Angeleno: a city-sized arcology in a riots-burned-out area of Los Angeles, to provide its "shareholders" safety and security from surrounding crime, etc, in exchange for lack of privacy/surveillance and "fealty" to the corporation. The writing itself is pedestrian, no character development, an average plot, slightly too [...]

    23. Dated near-future 'SF' story about what's basically just a gated community. Dated because nearly all the tech has been realized by now, and the impression the book gives about terrorists as just 'naughty kids' has become obsolete after 9-11, the War on Terror, IS etc. The term 'practise for a starship' is used a few times throughout the book but that seems nonsense, the book is all about the relations between the gated community (a big high-rise arcology) and Los Angeles surrounding it. The psyc [...]

    24. Niven and Pournelle make a pretty solid writing team - I've read some of their other collaborations, although Footfall is the only one I can remember offhand.This is a pretty good tale of a titanic city-building and the culture that grew up within it.There are some basic counter-arguments which are never addressed (e.g. "who watches the watchmen" - but this was way back in '81 so it's probably excusable), and the ending was rather weak in my opinion, and some of the technology described is hideo [...]

    25. It would have been better if I had read it when it was first released in 1981. Today it just seems to be just a bit dated and off of center. Some of the concepts never really change even after 35 years, so I still enjoyed it. I am not big on the "arcology" concept, but that is not key to enjoying the book. In general I really like the writing partnership of Niven and Pournelle. This book does come across as very Crichton at times. There is the small twist at the end that I enjoy in a good book.H [...]

    26. The sci-fi aspect is thin, allowing the socio-political themes to shine through fairly blatantly. The story was engaging and interesting, with good plot twists and strong themes - my only negative comment is that this could be "literature" if the themes were presented with a bit more poetic crafting. The authors' "point" is all too in-your-face. Good literature makes such points more subtly, and ultimately more powerfully.I do look forward to reading more Niven.

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